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Plan Optimism Fractal Season 3
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Promotional Strategy
Naming and Recapping Previous Seasons
So some of the new ideas. One, I think that one of the things that Rosmari and I were discussing two days ago or yesterday was releasing old seasons of Optimism Fractal, like the first season, second season, and I have the idea to name the first season of Optimism Fractal "Bootstrap and Community" and the second season of Optimism Fractal"Council Planning" or something similar to that, and then the third season of Optimism Fractal "Collective Governance".
We can say on like a forum post, so there'd be forum posts that could introduce the Town Hall and introduce the Optimism Fractal Season 3. I think there could potentially be two different forum posts on the Community Call section for both of these things. They could refer to each other, but they'll each be focused separately on their main topic. In addition, we can also post something in the General Chat as well. I think what we could do is we could call it Optimism Fractal Season 1, "Bootstrap community” or presenting Optimism Fractal season 1: bootstrapping community, something like that. And then we could put out a little summary, like a recap basically in the first message.
Because we were wondering how could we do this and how would it work because we already did a similar thing when we posted it in the community chats. But basically I'm thinking the way that we could make this work is that we could say we're excited to release the first season of Optimal Season 1 and then we provide a a little bit of a summary of the whole season, a little recap of the whole season, what happened, we can share hardline's retrospective, we could say this is the time when the community came together, they didn't know each other, and they had this bootstrapping phase, and they were just trying it out for the first time, all these different things, it doesn't have to be a huge thing, maybe we write a couple paragraphs or have GPT summarize it for us, and then we say over the next 6 weeks or 7 weeks, something like that, we're going to release all the episodes from season 1.
Coordinating with Zora and Paragraph
And when we do that, we're also posting it on Zora and Paragraph and different stuff like that and we can start promoting it to other communities like Base, but we have it also in that Optimism Governance thread too in the general form, and then that can include the show notes and stuff we already wrote basically for each episode, and if we don't have something written we can do a summary for each one, because some of them we didn't do summaries or we kind of just did really quickly, and then we could do a similar thing after that six weeks is done, maybe take a two week break or something like that, and then do another six weeks or something like that for Optimism Fractal Season 2, and then Season 2 I think kind of makes sense for it to be kind of focused on councils and planning. Maybe that's a better name than Council Planning. Council's and Planning for the Season 2 and Season 1 could be Bootstrapping Community, and then we could do the same kind of thing, and eventually we could release Season 3 in the same way.
Collective Governance at Optimism Town Hall
And then for Season 3, we'll have that in the Community Call section as opposed to the General Channel, and I think it's good to have that focus on collective governance, because that kind of signals how we're done Bootstrapping the community, or at least we've achieved that first Bootstrapping phase, and we've already achieved the planning and initiated council that we need to do in season 2 and now we can set our sights larger to autism collective and collective governance and all three of these kind of go with retro funding round six which is about governance and they all position as well for like leading in a governance role for the optimism collective and solving some of the issues like Rosemary was talking about how there's a lot of negative feedback to the retro funding announcement because they did things like left out educators and consumer facing tools and left out events and stuff like that and some people voiced opinions that they thought it wasn't decentralized and they needed more community input and they needed more places where people could talk about this kind of thing, so they really need to do a town hall where there's a place to discuss collective governance and so we can provide that while also providing like a way to promote our previous episodes and a context that allows us to promote it together and like positions up in the back door to be a leading part in governance I think that we should I think we should call the planning session the town hall: Optimism town hall.
Because Optimism Town Hall is quite a... I mean, a unique name. So, if we're gonna... I don't know if they have it. Anyone who's doing it right now? I have OptimismTownHall.com. that could be pretty central for our growth when people want to actually brainstorm about optimism Not just optimism fractal
Okay, so I have some ideas about the seasonal structure that we can do and also how we can promote it. I came up with the idea that we launch the Optimism Town Hall and we do that as kind of like a rebranding and refocusing of the planning sessions that happened after Optimism Fractal Main Events, and these Optimism Time Halls use Cajendas.
So we introduced the Cajendas Game to facilitate these and people vote with their respect, and I think rather than just voting with just respect, we also give voting power to other people in the Optimism Collective too. Maybe half the voting power is from the Optimism Factory Respect, and then half of it is distributed between badge holders, delegates, and people who are earned in governance, or earned in retro PGF rather. So it's like public goods creators, delegates, and citizens. And I think we could do that because there's something called gov Score that limes.eth created for the delegates and then this other guy named Lindsey created a list of the delegates and the badge holders and the retro PGF earners. We can use those lists and then distribute a new respect token, maybe we call it OPC. Like Optimism Collective instead of OPF.
We'd do this agendas where we could just make a bunch of topics at the beginning of the season or people can make them whenever. And then there'd be ranked choice voting so people wouldn't have to make topics every week if possible. And then people could vote in whichever one is the top voted one, and say Monday at some UTC or Tuesday at some UTC, then that's the topic for the week, for the town hall, and then we promote that on the governance forum. I'm also thinking about putting out polls for each of these two. I spoke about this, or I wrote about this rather, so I won't go into too much detail.
Releasing Old Seasons of Optimism Fractal
We have polls where we can answer questions during the sessions. But I'll get to some of the new ideas here too, because some of those I already shared with Rosemary earlier on. So some of the new ideas. One, I think that one of the things that roaster and I were discussing two days ago or yesterday was releasing old seasons of Optus Infracto, like the first season, second season, and I have the idea to name the first season of Optus Infracto "Bootstrap and Community" and the second season of Optus Infracto "Council Planning" or something similar to that, and then the third season of Optus Infracto "Collective Governance". And then we could say on like a forum post, so there'd be forum posts that could introduce the Town Hall and introduce the Optimal and Factual Season 3. I think there could potentially be two different forum posts on the Community Call section for both of these things. They could refer to each other, but they'll each be focused separately on their main topic. In addition, we can also post something in the General Chat as well. I think what we could do is we could call it Optimal and Factual Season 1, "Bootstrap community or presenting Optimal Season 1 bootstrapping community, something like that. And then we could put out a little summary, like a recap basically in the first message. Because we were wondering how could we do this and how would it work because we already did a similar thing when we posted it in the community chats. But basically I'm thinking the way that we could make this work is that we could say we're excited to release the first season of Optimal Season 1 and then we provide a little bit of a summary of the whole season, a little recap of the whole season, what happened, we can share hardline's retrospective, we could say this is the time when the community came together, they didn't know each other, and they had this bootstrapping phase, and they were just trying it out for the first time, all these different things, it doesn't have to be a huge thing, maybe we write a couple paragraphs or have GPT summarize it for us, and then we say over the next 6 weeks or 7 weeks, something like that, we're going to release all the episodes from season 1. And when we do that, we're also posting it on Zora and Paragraph and different stuff like that and we can start promoting it to other communities like Base, but we have it also in that Optimism Governance thread too in the general form, and then that can include the show notes and stuff we already wrote basically for each episode, and if we don't have something written we can do a summary for each one, because some of them we didn't do summaries or we kind of just did really quickly, and then we could do a similar thing after that six weeks is done, maybe take a two week break or something like that, and then do another six weeks or something like that for Optimism Backhaul Season 2, and then Season 2 I think kind of makes sense for it to be kind of focused on councils and planning. Maybe that's a better name than Council Planning. Council's End Planning for the Season 2 and Season 1 could be Bootstrapping Community, and then we could do the same kind of thing, and eventually we could release Season 3 in the same way. And then for Season 3, we'll have that in the Community Call section as opposed to the General Channel, and I think it's good to have that focus on collective governance, because that kind of signals how we're done Bootstrapping the community, or at least we've achieved that first Bootstrapping phase, and we've already achieved the planning and initiated council that we need to do in season 2 and now we can set our sights larger to autism collective and collective governance and all three of these kind of go with retro funding round six which is about governance and they all position as well for like leading in a governance role for the autism collective and solving some of the issues like Rosemary was talking about how there's a lot of negative feedback to the retro funding announcement because they did things like left out educators and consumer facing tools and left out events and stuff like that and some people voiced opinions that they thought it wasn't decentralized and they needed more community input and they needed more places where people could talk about this kind of thing, so they really need to do a town hall where there's a place to discuss collective governance and so we can provide that while also providing like a way to promote our previous episodes and a context that allows us to promote it together and like positions up in the back door to be a leading part in governance I think that we should I think we should call the planning session the town hall I don't know. Optimism Town Hall. I think so, yeah. Because this is very... You can put it here. I'll get it. Don't worry. Because... Yeah, I'll get this. Because Optimism Town Hall is quite a... I mean, a unique name. So, if we're gonna... I don't know if they have it. Anyone who's doing it right now? I'm pretty sure I have OptusInFractalTown, or OptusInTownHall.com I think I got that like four months ago I'm not sure if I got it, but I think so Even if not, like, if it was happening, it was big, then we would know better Because that could be pretty central for our growth when people want to actually brainstorm about optimism Not just optimism fractal, but optimism Yeah, that's what I'm saying Optimal Fractal has been largely focused internally, but I think now is the season where we can really provide value for Optimal Collective and we can start asking the questions that the Optimal Collective needs to answer. It comes out very nice. What's that? It comes out very nice with the seasons, how the first season we were engaging together. you know we got some community members that have stayed since the first season and have been there throughout the second and have wanted to help and have been helping in different various ways and have earned respect and have started to also use that respect in the second season and sort of demonstrate different ways how they can utilize that respect and their participation. As we're working on how to best position everyone to earn from retro-funding and make their evolvement easier through notions of how to easier through Notion community pages and so forth. Then for season 3 as we're also trying to improve our governance systems we can also help others because also we have done this with Eden fractal for longer time and it will be interesting how Eden fractal can align better with this town hall too and that's where we can promote Eden fractal at this town hall to video optimism audience. So, I think it's a nice progress I can see. Mm-hmm. And Greek, boss head. And Eden fractal can also, I don't know, I was writing to Das, and Node Web, and trying to think about these things. Eden fractal can kind of like take a load off of Optism fractal, and start... I'm hearing? Yeah, start like... a lot of discussions for Optism fractal have been about fractals and implementing fractals, and so we can say, well, Eden fractal can serve for those discussions, and that gives Optimum fractal more time and space to look more towards optimism basically and that helps Eden fractal grow too this is the differentiation between the two that we were talking about yeah so somebody brings up like a question like oh like like I did what is the... how can people differentiate between what they can contribute to Eden fractal versus optimism fractal if let's say the tools built for one fract
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Organize Ideas for Optimism Town Hall and Season 3 Structure
Okay, so I have some ideas about the seasonal structure that we can do and also how we can promote it. Previously, this morning I came up with the idea that we launch the Optimism Town Hall and we do that as kind of like a rebranding and refocusing of the planning sessions that happened after Optimism Fractal Main Events.
Replace Planning Sessions with Optimism Town Hall
We should launch the Optimism Town Hall and we do that as a rebranding and refocusing of the planning sessions that happened after Optimism Fractal Main Events.
Implement Cagendas at Optimism Town Hall
These Optimism Town Halls would use "Cagendas" (a portmanteau of "collective agendas" or "community agendas"). We would introduce the Cagendas Game to facilitate these events, where people vote on topics with their respect tokens.
We'd play Cagendas where we could just make a bunch of topics at the beginning of the season or people can make them whenever. And then there'd be ranked choice voting so people wouldn't have to make topics every week if possible. And then people could vote in whichever one is the top voted one, and say Monday at some UTC or Tuesday at some UTC, then that's the topic for the week, for the town hall, and then we promote that on the governance forum.
Voting and Topic Selection
We could have agendas where people make topics at the beginning of the season or whenever they want. There would be ranked-choice voting, so people don't have to make topics every week. The top-voted topic for a given time slot (e.g. Monday at a certain UTC time) would be the topic for that week's town hall. We would promote this on the governance forum.
I'm also thinking about putting out polls for each of these town halls, where we can answer questions during the sessions.
Create Polls for Answering Questions at Each Week’s Event
I'm also thinking about putting out polls for each of these two. I spoke about this, or I wrote about this rather, so I won't go into too much detail. We have polls where we can answer questions during the sessions.
Create Auxiliary Tokens
Rather than just voting with OPF respect, we could also give voting power to other people in the Optimism Collective as OPC. Maybe half the voting power comes from the Optimism Fractal Respect, and the other half is distributed between badge holders, delegates, and people who have earned in governance or earned in retro PGF (public goods funding). This includes citizens, delegates, and public goods creators. We can use lists created by limes.eth and Lindsey to distribute a new respect token, maybe we call it OPC. Like Optimum Collective instead of OPF.
- I think it makes sense to have an OPC and OPFC where OPC has 25% for Optimism Fractal Respect and OPFC has 50% for Optimism Fractal. The OPFC is used for Cagendas
Set Themes for Optimism Fractal Seasons and Themes
One idea Rosemary and I discussed was releasing old seasons of Optimism Fractal, like Season 1 "Bootstrap and Community", Season 2 "Council Planning", and Season 3 "Collective Governance".
We could have forum posts that introduce the Town Hall concept and introduce Optimism Fractal Season 3. These could be separate posts in the Community Calls section but refer to each other. We could also post about it in the General Chat.
For example, for Season 1, we could post a summary recapping what happened that season when the community was bootstrapping and came together. Over 6-7 weeks, we would release all the episodes from that season on platforms like Zora and Paragraph while promoting it to other communities.
Aligning with Optimism Funding Rounds
Our seasons don't need to perfectly align with Optimism's funding rounds timings, but we want to start our seasons before the relevant round so our community has time to contribute.
The current plan is:
- Season 3 (May-July) on Collective Governance, aligning with Optimism's Round 6 (August) on Governance
- Season 4 (August-October) potentially on Dev Tooling, aligning with Optimism's Round 8 (October) on Dev Tooling
However, governance will likely remain a theme across seasons, as we aim to help with governance for the Optimism Collective. The Town Hall structure allows flexibility - even if a season has a different focus, we can still vote on governance topics some weeks if desired.
Season Promotion and Context
Promoting the Town Hall itself, along with providing context around past Optimism Fractal seasons, helps position us as governance leaders for the Optimism Collective. Efforts like summarizing past seasons provide an onramp for new community members while laying out the progression from bootstrapping to planning to collective governance.
Collectively deciding Town Hall structures, topics and events through tools like Cajendas demonstrates functioning governance processes. This pairs well with Optimism's aim to fund governance tooling and communities in Round 6.
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Using "Cajendas" for the Town Halls
These Optimism Town Halls would use Cajendas. So we introduce the Cajendas Game to facilitate these and people vote with their respect tokens. Rather than just voting with respect tokens, we also give voting power to other people in the Optimism Collective too. Maybe half the voting power is from the Optimism Fractal Respect, and then half of it is distributed between badge holders, delegates, and people who have earned in governance, or earned in retro PGF (public goods funding) rather. So it's like public goods creators, delegates, and citizens.
We could do agendas where we make a bunch of topics at the beginning of the season or people can make them whenever. And then there'd be ranked choice voting so people wouldn't have to make topics every week necessarily. And then people could vote on whichever one is the top voted one, and say Monday at some UTC or Tuesday at some UTC, then that's the topic for the week, for the town hall. And then we promote that on the governance forum.
I'm also thinking about putting out polls for each of these too. I spoke about this, or I wrote about this rather, so I won't go into too much detail. We have polls where we can answer questions during the sessions.
Releasing Past Optimism Fractal Seasons
But I'll get to some of the new ideas here too, because some of those I already shared with Rosemary earlier on. So some of the new ideas - one, I think that one of the things that Rosemary and I were discussing two days ago or yesterday was releasing old seasons of Optimism Fractal, like the first season, second season. And I have the idea to name the first season of Optimism Fractal "Bootstrap and Community" and the second season of Optimism Fractal "Council Planning" or something similar to that, and then the third season of Optimism Fractal "Collective Governance".
And then we could say on like a forum post, so there'd be forum posts that could introduce the Town Hall and introduce the Optimism Fractal Season 3. I think there could potentially be two different forum posts on the Community Calls section for both of these things. They could refer to each other, but they'll each be focused separately on their main topic.
In addition, we can also post something in the General Chat as well. I think what we could do is we could call it Optimism Fractal Season 1, "Bootstrap and Community" or presenting Optimism Season 1: Bootstrapping the Community, something like that. And then we could put out a little summary, like a recap basically in the first message. Because we were wondering how could we do this and how would it work because we already did a similar thing when we posted it in the community chats.
But basically I'm thinking the way that we could make this work is that we could say we're excited to release the first season of Optimism Fractal Season 1 and then we provide a little bit of a summary of the whole season, a little recap of the whole season, what happened. We can share Harcharn's retrospective, we could say this is the time when the community came together, they didn't know each other, and they had this bootstrapping phase, and they were just trying it out for the first time, all these different things. It doesn't have to be a huge thing, maybe we write a couple paragraphs or have GPT summarize it for us.
And then we say over the next 6 weeks or 7 weeks, something like that, we're going to release all the episodes from season 1. And when we do that, we're also posting it on Zora and Paragraph and different stuff like that and we can start promoting it to other communities like Base, but we have it also in that Optimism Governance thread too in the general forum. And then that can include the show notes and stuff we already wrote basically for each episode. And if we don't have something written we can do a summary for each one, because some of them we didn't do summaries or we kind of just did really quickly.
And then we could do a similar thing after that six weeks is done, maybe take a two week break or something like that, and then do another six weeks or something like that for Optimism Fractal Season 2. And then Season 2 I think kind of makes sense for it to be kind of focused on councils and planning. Maybe that's a better name than Council Planning - Council's And Planning for the Season 2 and Season 1 could be Bootstrapping Community. And then we could do the same kind of thing.
And eventually we could release Season 3 in the same way. And then for Season 3, we'll have that in the Community Calls section as opposed to the General Channel. And I think it's good to have that focus on collective governance, because that kind of signals how we're done bootstrapping the community, or at least we've achieved that first bootstrapping phase, and we've already achieved the planning and initiated councils that we need to do in season 2. And now we can set our sights larger to the Optimism Collective and collective governance.
Aligning with Optimism Funding Rounds
And all three of these kind of go with retro funding round six which is about governance. And they all position us well for like leading in a governance role for the Optimism Collective and solving some of the issues like Rosemary was talking about how there's a lot of negative feedback to the retro funding announcement because they did things like left out educators and consumer facing tools and left out events and stuff like that. And some people voiced opinions that they thought it wasn't decentralized and they needed more community input and they needed more places where people could talk about this kind of thing.
So they really need to do a town hall where there's a place to discuss collective governance and so we can provide that. While also providing like a way to promote our previous episodes and a context that allows us to promote it together and like positions optimism fractal to be a leading part in governance I think.
That we should... I think we should call the planning session the town hall. I don't know. Optimism Town Hall. I think so, yeah. Because Optimism Town Hall is quite a... I mean, a unique name. So, if we're gonna... I don't know if they have it. Anyone who's doing it right now? I'm pretty sure I have OptimismTownHall.com I think I got that like four months ago I'm not sure if I got it, but I think so. Even if not, like, if it was happening, it was big, then we would know better. Because that could be pretty central for our growth when people want to actually brainstorm about Optimism. Not just Optimism Fractal, but Optimism.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Optimism Fractal has been largely focused internally, but I think now is the season where we can really provide value for Optimism Collective and we can start asking the questions that the Optimism Collective needs to answer. It comes out very nice. What's that? It comes out very nice with the seasons, how the first season we were engaging together, you know we got some community members that have stayed since the first season and have been there throughout the second and have wanted to help and have been helping in different various ways and have earned respect and have started to also use that respect in the second season and sort of demonstrate different ways how they can utilize that respect and their participation. As we're working on how to best position everyone to earn from retro-funding and make their involvement easier through Notion community pages and so forth.
Then for season 3 as we're also trying to improve our governance systems we can also help others because we've also done this with Eden Fractal for a longer time and it will be interesting how Eden Fractal can align better with this town hall too and that's where we can promote Eden Fractal to the Optimism audience. So, I think it's a nice progression I can see.
And Greek, boss head. And Eden Fractal can also, I don't know, I was writing to Das, and Node Web, and trying to think about these things. Eden Fractal can kind of like take a load off of Optimism Fractal, and start... I'm hearing? Yeah, start like... a lot of discussions for Optimism Fractal have been about fractals and implementing fractals, and so we can say, well, Eden Fractal can serve for those discussions, and that gives Optimism Fractal more time and space to look more
...that gives Optimism Fractal more time and space to look more towards Optimism basically and that helps Eden Fractal grow too. This is the differentiation between the two that we were talking about.
Yeah, so somebody brings up like a question like oh like like I did what is the... how can people differentiate between what they can contribute to Eden Fractal versus Optimism Fractal if let's say the tools built for one fractal could work for every fractal pretty much and so forth so that differentiates it.
Yeah, so that's what people can earn respect for also. If the season is focused on collective governance for Optimism Fractal and not just the town hall, that can also be like giving people extra motivation and encouragement to do things that help improve governance for Optimism because like you mentioned, we're trying to help the Optimism Fractal community members get funded for retro funding and most of them probably won't be eligible for the on-chain builders unless they already have their own app that they deployed, in which case, I don't know, maybe there's a couple, but not that many. But they could all earn, like they all have a good chance to earn from the collective governance if we play our cards right and if they do as well too.
And so we can put them in a really good position where they can all earn quite a lot by participating in Optimism Fractal and doing governance both at the Optimism town halls and helping to lead those governance decisions and then also at Optimism Fractal if they want to perhaps help with building Optimism Fractal because that is a governance contribution to Optimism Collective. So that aligns well and we could say, perhaps for this season, all contributions are very welcome at the respect game for Optimism, but especially the biggest theme of the season is collective governance and that's what's being rewarded in retro funding in August, so we encourage you to help contribute in governance in some way and perhaps some people might give more respect for people who are helping with governance. That can be kind of like a factor that we keep in mind basically. So that could be a way that, because really when we're aligning Optimism Fractal a lot with governance, then Optimism Fractal will help more with governance. And that really is our biggest opportunity, at least in the near term.
Timing and Structure
Like first we're going to do this on-chain builders, one with the blockchains and stuff like that. And I had some other ideas last night about that that were good too. But after that, basically it's going to be about governance and helping to do governance for the Andromeda Builders Round, what metrics should matter, and helping to govern things like how should educators be rewarded by Optimism Collective, because they're not rewarded at all right now for retro funding.
I have a question. So I agree that aligning with Optimism's rounds is a good idea, but I like how we're not doing it one-to-one with the timing where they have their rounds. For example, they would have their round on on-chain builders but we'll have our season for governance which comes up as a round for Optimism around August. So that would give us enough time to do more contributions before the deadline for the application for the governance round comes up and i'm thinking that if we start our season for governance in May that will finish in July and because that's three months and we may also think after that which one shall we do next depending on the Optimism's next rounds and because we always have to start our seasons before the rounds comes, the round actually comes so that we have more so that we have three months in advance to work on that on applying to that round.
Well I don't know it's always like that because I think that... Or are we going now? I suppose the next season would be different from governance. Well, it could be. Although that this is our main focus.
Yeah, I think that no matter what the round is, we can still have a governance slant or theme of some sort because, like, we're helping, like, that's what we do. We do, we build consensus and we hear opinions and people can make decisions better with these tools that we're building. That's one of the large value propositions we can do. So governance will always play some sort of role and it's probably like the most aligned goal with Optimism Collective from what they've stated in these four rounds so far. So I think that we should kind of like lean into that.
And then the next round after that will be dev tooling. And that will happen in October. And dev tooling I think is pretty closely related to what we're doing in Notion and with respect trees, which is also like a governance kind of thing to some extent because like how can we build a tool that people can use to improve their development cycle. And so for example if they have lots of Notion projects or a project in GitHub or whatever and then they could use respect to vote on the most important topics or the most important priorities that'd be a really helpful tool for developers. Also just like playing the respect game is a tool that developers can use to coordinate the development too. So we could for sure apply to that.
And we might want a theme, season four of Optimism Fractal starting in August around DevTools. But it also might still want to have a governance slant or something like that. Because well, two reasons. One is that I agree with what you say about how it's helpful to have time before the retro funding round starts, where Optimism Fractal is doing contributions so that Optimism Fractal community members can earn more in that round. Like for example, doing the governance round, starting it in a couple weeks, so that by the time August rolls around, we'll already be focused on it a lot for several months and have a big impact.
But at the same time too, there's also some benefit in having Optimism Fractal aligned with the current season as well. Because for example, in this current season, the badge holders are going to be wondering, "Okay, what are the most important metrics to evaluate on-chain builders?" Is it transactions, or is it contracts, or code written, or whatever? And so Optimism Fractal can do governance by helping them decide that. We can have a meeting about what are the most important metrics for on-chain builders, and then that could be about both the governance and the current season.
Similarly, say, if it's August or September, and we finished our collective governance, season 3, but we're in season 4, and dev tooling has come up in two months, but currently the governance round is going on, it might be helpful to do a retro pitch or something like that for governance and have it where people who did governance can go and pitch about how they help governance, even though it already started and maybe we want to focus half on season-dead tooling, half on governance or something like that.
But I think generally speaking, having a system where people can vote with respect at the meetings and that's well organized, that will just allow the community to vote on whatever they think is most important and provide flexibility. So like for example, if we want to talk more about on-chain builders in a week or two this week. Even though the round is focused on collective, even though the season is focused on collective governance, then that's that's great. Or if we want to focus on debt tooling or governance or whatever in September. Then the community can vote for that as well. And then we can kind of just pick our names and our branding well. Which I don't know if we need a proposal for or we'll just do it as the Optimistic team. We could figure that out later.
Like, I had these three suggestions for the names of the rounds that I think are pretty good but happy to hear thoughts about it. And then in season four, I don't know what it would be called. Maybe it would be called dev tooling or maybe it would be called governance or maybe like developing governance or something like that. But we can figure that out at a later date too to figure out what exactly should be the scope of that.
Retro Pitches
Okay, also if we're doing retro pitches for every round of Optimism we have to start to prepare the signup applications but maybe it's too early right now because obviously even the applications themselves are not being open for people to submit.
Yeah, we're several months ahead of schedule from last time when we just learned about it.
Yeah, so at some point we have to also just make sure that we prepare once everyone has applied to prepare how and where we're going to host these retro pitches because I know previously we did it after Optimism Fractal's first hour but now it's gonna be taken from the town hall so it might be then it would be too long if it's after the town hall I think because that'll make it after the second hour and I don't know if it becomes too long for someone to stay from the start of Optimism Fractal until the end of Retro Pitches and we do want to encourage people to also join but I think separating it would be might be better if we're still gonna be doing the Optimism Town Hall every week then for I think Retro Pitches no we do it more than once one time once a week we'll probably do few sessions which is weekly so yeah it might make sense to have it as a separate time slot.
Design RetroPitches
Two of the comments on that, too. One, we'll have to figure out how retro pitches would be designed, because unlike last season, it's not projects that people are voting for.
It depends on if it's a jury. Because if it's a... I think if it's a jury, I don't know how much they may consider these retro pitches if it's not part of their evaluation metric board whatever metrics they take, they consider so that's another thing that before, like in the last season, it was more so like a free ride for batch holders, they can choose whichever metrics they want to look at or whichever way they prefer to look into and evaluate applications. And who knows if they have considered retro pitches or this other kind of place where people were pitching that was happening onto other spaces.
Yeah, I'm sure that some did to some extent, but we don't know how much.
Yeah, a couple points I want to make here. So, for round 4 for on-chain builders and round 8 for dev tooling, the Optimism Foundation announced that those were going to be using metric-based evaluation, that's the plan at least. So that badge holders will be evaluating metrics rather than individual projects.
So for example, they'll be comparing... For which one? For round 4 and round 8, for which is on-chain tooling and for on-chain builders and dev tooling.
Round 6 and 7, they announced that they're planning to use impact juries. The impact juries will... it seems like the way that they're planning to do it is have random, smaller groups of badge holders directly evaluating projects and applications.
Whereas in the metrics-based evaluation for round four and eight, there will be badge holders that are voting on different metrics. So for example, they'll say, "I think that 20% of the funding should go to projects based upon how many transactions they do on the OP Mainnet, and 20% should be how much code has been forked and and how much code has been written, and 15% should go based upon the amount of users that are unique and so forth. They'll just be ranking different metrics.
Ideally we can get respect in there as well. So they could say, "Oh, and also 20% or whatever goes to the amount of respect that they earn." But we can see how we can do that. But that's basically how it's going to be working for round 4 and round 8.
And so for retro-pitches, that doesn't work with our previous style of retro-pitches which is because what's the point of somebody promoting their project if there's no way for the badge holders to vote on their project. I mean it could still potentially work as a promotional thing, but it just doesn't have nearly as much of the meaning because it's disconnected because the badge holders aren't voting for projects. So we could either do it the same way and still just do it for kind of fun and promotion, but I feel like that's probably not the best idea because we could probably use our time more effectively. The downfall would be better.
Optimism Town Hall, Powered by Optimism Fractal and Presented by Optimystics
We can say retro pitches powered by Optimistics and something like that. Or presented by Optimistics maybe?
Yeah, presented by Optimistics. Or also powered by Optimistics because we can now vote with respect to retro pitches now too. Presented by Optimistics. That's good what you're saying.
Well, another thought here too is that I think that the Town Hall is a large enough concept that it can encompass other things within it. So like, we can have retro pitch at the Town Hall if we want. That's something I was thinking about back in September, and I'm glad we didn't decide to do it then, because it would have been too complex, the Town Hall would have been just like another thing to add to it. But now, if we introduce the Town Hall first, and then we say, the Town Hall works with a structure where we play Cajendas each week and people can vote with their respect to determine the topic, then the topic could be retro pitches if we want, and that could work within the town hall. And we could say, "Hey, we're doing retro pitches at the town hall."
Introduce and Explain the Branding of Cagendas
Cagendas deserves a proper introduction. If we're to do what I think that we should, then we can say, like, introducing agendas, agendas as a portmanteau of collective agendas, or community agendas. And this is a new kind of consensus process or consensus game that can help us use respect to allocate speaking time and decide topics, stuff like that.
The "C" can stand for lots of things, it can stand for community, or collective. So, community agendas, collective agendas. I think that's how you have to explain it. Or consensus agendas. And it sounds like a game. Like a board game.
Organize a Variety of Events with Cagendas at Optimism Town Hall
So, yeah, I think that the option of town hall is, um, is broad enough and it's like well known enough that people know what a town hall is, people have a good idea of it, and it makes sense, and at the town hall you can host different events. Which is also pretty intuitive to at a physical town hall, you can have different events in there.
And then if we use Cagendas as like the way that we operate the town hall and decide what to discuss, then we can vote for other things within the town hall. Like if we want to do an impact jury, or we want to discuss a specific question or answer a poll, or if we want to do retro pitches, or if we want to do a celebration at the end of the season, all those things can be voted for on Snapshot using the Cajendas process. And I think that would work quite well.
Schedule Optimism Town Hall
And the town hall is a half hour long. I think it could possibly go up to an hour long if the community is up for that. That's what we did for retro pitches sometimes, but also we want to be careful about extending it. I know it's also late for Eastern Europe too, but I don't think it should go any longer than two hours, but I think it could potentially go up to two hours, or like what you said, scheduling another event throughout the week could also work too.
But I think to start off with, we would just have Town Hall as a half-hour long event that goes right after Optimism Fractal, and then if there's a lot of demand to make it longer or do a different day or something like that, then we could do that as well. Yeah, but how do you envision, if it's half an hour long, to do retro pitches there? I mean, that's what we scheduled for last time, and we went on longer about 45 minutes and I suppose that's also something we just decided to do.
But if we finish the respect game earlier, let's say, you know how sometimes we do finish it... maybe 10 minutes earlier? Definitely too, I think that going into the season. If you do it that, if you try to finish maybe even 10 minutes, those 10 minutes, that could be your buffer time. So you can finish, even if let's say something happens and then the town hall takes 45 minutes or whatever, you have that buffer time so that whoever has an event or meeting scheduled after, they can still attend to the end.
Announce the Start of Optimism Fractal Events Promptly at 17 UTC in Season 3
Yes, yep. And another thing too that I want to do this season is say, starting this season, all events will start at exactly 17 UTC. And in the community room you can open 5 minutes before or whatever. If people wanted to just chat. And then the presentation and video recording was started at exactly 17 UTC, which would mean that we would be able to go into breakout rooms more like 1705 rather than 1710 or 1715. I'll try to be quick there.
And then the Town Hall would officially start at 18 UTC, but it could kind of informally start or we could just have open discussions for that, say 10-15 minutes or maybe even 20 minutes that we finish up early the respect game. And then also when we fix those errors that Vlad is going to fix too, then that can save us time too. We don't have to deal with that. and provide a better experience. Because some of the errors we don't know how to fix.
Promoting the Topic of Optimism Town Hall Events
As we see it, the way we promote the event, we can also mention time by time what is scheduled to happen. Like the topic? During the promotions, for example, this is the agenda for next week's event. Respect game at this time, Town Hall at this time, topic is this, it's gonna end at that time.
Plan and Repurpose the Next RetroPitches: “RetroPitches: Impact Evaluators Edition”
For Rounds 4 and 8 (on-chain builders and dev tooling), Optimism will use metric-based evaluation by badge holders rather than evaluating individual projects. So the traditional "retro pitch" format where people pitch their project may not work well.
Instead, we could have "impact metric pitches" where people pitch the metrics/signals that should be used for evaluation (e.g. repo activity, transactions, code quality etc). We could invite people working on reputation/impact metrics like Sourcecred, Open Source Observer, Metrics Garden etc. to present their approaches.This could be its own multi-week event series, with polls and voting to determine which metrics seem most useful and interesting to the community.
This kind of feedback could be very valuable for badge holders and the Optimism team evaluating Round 4 and 8 applications.For Rounds 6 and 7, which will use juries evaluating projects directly, we could potentially bring back the traditional project-based "retro pitches" format.
As far as the retro pitches, we could still potentially do that in round 4 or round 8, but we might just want to remodel it. Maybe retro pitches would be about people pitching metrics instead. Like, for example, we could pitch respect as a metric, and then somebody else, because there's lots of people who are making metrics that they want people to measure it by. So that could potentially be a different kind of retro pitches where people are presenting their impact metrics, their reputation scores... Instead of presenting their project.
Evaluating Metrics with RetroPitches
Yeah, like for example Seth, he works with Sourcecred, and he can say here's how Sourcecred can help evaluate impact. And I suppose like Karl from Open Source Observer, he can present what he's doing with Open Source Observer, like showing these metrics, and Lanamu could promote the metrics garden.
Invite Impact Metrics Creators and Evaluators for “RetroPitches: Impact Evaluators Edition”
We can also invite them personally. We can just private message them and say this is an open space where you can present your metrics. Similarly to how what we did during Retro Pitches was we reached out to people and they said, "Okay, we're going to sign up."
Yes, but in this case we'd be reaching out to people who are specifically dealing with metrics and dealing with how to best govern it, and we'd be asking them to join. And then if we like, we could even structure the successive events. So we could have like, maybe two or three events, which are about like retro pitches for impact, where we hear from like Lanamu and Carl and Seth and all these people. And then maybe that happens like a week or two, maybe three or something like that. And then at the end of that, or maybe during it, we say like, what are the best metrics to measure? Because people can learn it. We can do polls either at the event, no matter how we do it for Slido, but we can use Snapshot and stuff like that for ranked-choice voting.
Design “RetroPitches: Impact Evaluators Edition”
And we could also make it fun, too. We could have something like, "What's the most fun metric?" and stuff like that. And then we could have it where it's also providing good data for people to learn, for the badge holders to learn, and for the data scientists to learn, and so forth, because then they get lots of opinions about what are the most helpful metrics. So, in having them on, that's a really good idea about inviting them over. And that's how we can restructure retro pitches in the season and then also do it in a way that's providing helpful data about the most helpful data.
Also interesting, because retro pitches we already did it. People already know what to expect. But we have to change to make it interesting.
Well, it's already a pretty interesting topic. So back in, say, season or retro funding round six and seven, they're going to be focusing on applications again, not just metrics. So we could perhaps bring back the project-based retro pitches during those rounds. During round six and seven, people will pitch their OP stack or governance-related projects. We can mix it up. And basically, we can still use the same branding.
So for example, when we reach out to Lanamu and Carl and Seth and all those people, we say, "Hey, this is to retro pitches, just a different variant to retro pitches." And we could say, "Here's the article on the website and the three videos we did before so you can see, oh, like, this is professional, it's well done, stuff like that, so that they'll want to join." And they'll be like, "Wow, that's really cool." Plus we also say, "Now we have this new structure where people will vote on topics and stuff like that." So we could have games too, like for example, "What if Lanamu and Carl and Seth and us and another person who has their own metric goes up and then we each take five minutes to share our metrics, and at the end it could be like, "Well, what's the most helpful metric out of these ones that went? What's the most exciting one? What's the most fun one?" You know, we could do stuff like that. Okay. The most informative and so forth.