Ask Optimystics for feedback about ICP-Fractal PRD and ask about sharing team projects

1. Awesome, thank you Hodlon and @bitbeckers! I enjoyed reading the document and really appreciate all your thoughtful insights here

Vlad, I haven't seen that okay, but I seen the document that you shared. The Hland document, I didn't go very deep but uh yeah, cool that they are also thinking about it. But what, so did you dive into it? What was their like design? Was it similar to yours or what are they thinking? Um, there's as we hear, like I think a comp work that we've been doing, because what we've mostly been focusing on is like for J Community Neo think and some commun just to play it as easily as possible. Um but they're kind of documenting a more comprehensive, cohesive app that's specifically focused on the OptimFact Community or communities that are like more experienced with it and want to actually do other stuff with respect, like participate in governance and make proposals and stuff, and have it all in one app. So it's kind of more similar to the Pral app that you Matas has built on Antelope. Um so yeah, it has like um, it has a respect game but also has a section for proposals, it also has sub-rounds too, which is like the idea that we discussed in the uh in the brainstorming topic about how you could have like kind of mini fractals popping out or fractals of fractals. Um so it's kind of like bringing it all together a bit. Um so it has, it's not really so different between mine and yours or so different. The only one thing that they mentioned was just like provably random groups was that they said they like uh, but other than that, it was just like there a lot more detailed too. Like I recommend reading it and like just read what they said to get all the detail. I'm just giving like a very high level overview. Um and you can comment here too if you want and they'd appreciate that as well, as in Discord. Um but yeah, it was kind of like uh, whereas we're focusing on making it super easy to play, they they were kind of looking at like another level. Like they want to make it easier to play, but their main focus is making it so that there's one app where you can do proposals, um playing the game, um and also being able to do like kind of launching new sub-rounds as well, all in one place. But at the end of the day, it's another fractal app, maybe different uh, it stresses different features. Like uh Codon also I think mentioned integration, uh I forgot the name, but I think it's for for probably anonymous voting. And it's also, we are planning to do it on Internet Computer. Do you understand, does Internet Computer network somehow relate to Optimism or the super train or or not? Yeah, so those are some big features I missed, I forgot to mention. So one is the integration of shutter, which is a um a like privacy solution. And actually I had spoken with one of the guys, one of the guys from shutter uh joined, his name is Lauren, he joined office in Pral and he was interested in in integrating the respect game into um into the shutter community or shutter DAO as well. Um so this is like a way that you can do voting but have it private so that you wouldn't be able to see the votes until afterwards, for the respect game and proposals. Uh and then yeah, this also, it's called IC fractal because it's the Internet Computer fractal application I think. Um and this is using the Internet Computer protocol, which in case you haven't seen it, um I've heard this is like super centralized in terms of like 90% of the token supply is uh like owned by the company that founded it. Um but I've also heard like it's it's it's very well funded and they're building really helpful tools. And I guess that if uh Hlon and BitBeckers are both interested in this, then it could be very helpful. Um but my understanding is that like one of the intentions that they have is that they want to make it so that it's not just on Optimism, but they want to have it where you can post on different chains as so as kind of like Firmament as well. So yeah, that there's this there's this feature too, and there's more details about this too. Like for example, that's o.com, I looked into that and that's a way you can create accounts that work for Optimism but also work with other EVM accounts. And I think it stores like the keys and stuff on the Internet Computer, but not totally sure about that though. But there's more details about here as well. And some of the other stuff was like more details about the proposals and how it could be viewed, so it's not just voting proposals but like being able to have it customized so that makes it easy for like specific account processes and so forth. Would this kind of app would be eligible for retr PGF or not? Yeah yeah, for sure. I mean it'd be creating an impact and help- and helping out with Optimism. Just left the call I guess because uh her audio was repeating or whatever. Um but yeah, it still be creating impact for Optimism. I don't know if it's the best focus because um, like to me it seems like if you just build more an Optimism, there's more opportunity for funding there. So that's one of the comments I was thinking about making, saying that uh it sounds interesting and I like the idea of having more independence from being able to post other chains, but also maybe it's not so needed right now, it's not the right time because Optimism seems like it's like secure and sufficient enough and you can always post in different super chain networks and stuff like that and you can earn more funding for doing so. But how is it, is it related at all to Optimism or is it, if we would get, how how is it related? Well it says respect game, you'd sign with the OP account and then you'd be posting on Optimism. So I don't know exactly, it says the back end runs on the Internet Computer, but Hotline asks for BitBeckers to expand on that and BitBeckers hasn't replied to that or expanded on it. But it's it's meant to be like running on Optimism, at least that's how Hline envisioned it, that people would sign with their OP account, post consensus results on Optimism and so forth. Um but there's the idea that also I think you could have it where you could vote on different chains too if you didn't want to play it on Optimism, because they wanted to bring it so you can make it on any kind of chain I think. So Internet Computer would be used for some additional like a backend server, but you would still submit the results to Optimism, something like that? Yeah I think so. My understanding, I don't have that much understanding of Internet Computer, but um one of my understandings is that I think it's kind of like layer zero or uh there's different like kind of inter-blockchain connectivity platforms. So it's not like exclusive to anyone, like Internet- I think Internet Computer has its own blockchain, but it also has like a a um system where you could interact with Optimism through the Internet Computer as well. Um if that sense like it can store like the keys and plug into Optimism as well as other EVM chains. But perhaps it might be helpful too, like I mentioned to Hlon and BitBeckers, um that or actually I didn't mention it to him, but I mentioned to you guys that um I could like start up chat or um we could set up a call or something like that where we can ask more details about what they're thinking about. Or there's also a comment section too where we can leave comments. Um but it'd be good to maybe, it'd be good to proceed in some way because they're both really like talented and interested in helping. So that's awesome overall and then we can figure out um how to best collaborate. And then if you want to ask any questions about how exactly ICP would work, um either in the chat or somewhere else, then I suppose that would be a good next step. Why do they want this ICP? Uh they did not expand on that in the document, but I think it's like it's kind of, it's in a way similar to Sync as I understand, in that uh it it provides like uh like all the stuff for web application that you would need, not just smart contracts. Do you think it makes sense for us to build on uh Sync at some point? Like uh, I haven't really thought about that so much like if it um, I mean obviously I thought about building on Sync, but like being that we're building on EVM, does it make sense for us to build on EVM and Sync as well? Or like would it be, say we want decentralize like the web app beyond just the smart contracts, then would we do that with Sync or would we do that with Internet Computer? Or we do that with um some other kind of build? Yes, we build on everything, okay. Good plan, we got it. I mean, Sync will have uh by default our solution so they will deploy the back, app so to say. I guess that would be the first step that they have on their roadmap. But will it be compatible with EVM? No, no I think- No. What we are doing, we are sort of taking the EVM market potentially, which could be actually bigger than Sync. And yeah, I mean it's like a million times bigger than Sync right now, or like maybe a hundred times bigger. Um so yep. Um yeah, but it'd be good like to also like for example with this ICP, if you could use ICP with the EVM then that would be nice. Because I would get keep on building and fostering this um like open source project on EVM. And EVM, I mean I'm really excited for Sync, but like for example Coinbase is like using hundreds of millions of dollars to bring people onto the EVM, specifically onto onto the super chain. So and then there's like way other- there's way more other organizations who are also focusing on the EVM environment too. So um, like I want to use Sync, but at the same time too though, like if we could use EVM plus Sync or EVM plus ICP or something like that, then um that would be nice to keep on building with the EVM as well. Plus Antelope, plus Envelope. Well Envelope is kind of more like an alternative to EVM from I from what I understand, so it's more like the smart contract side. Um but it seems like ICP and uh Sync do backend as well, whereas Antelope doesn't really have a backend or front end kind of component, just a smart contract. And so we are, and so obviously we'll still keep building and like fostering and promoting the development of the smart contracts for fractal on Antelope and EVM, along with Upscale. Like I think our main focus of optimistics will be uh mostly to foster the EVM side of it. Um as well as all the other ones, but like our main focus is the EVM part of it I think. We are too decentralized, too many apps, too many app initiatives. Yeah, we have a lot and we just need like one really good one. Yeah, I mean it's it's confusing and hard like it's, you want to collaborate but it's hard to to uh, it takes time and effort to coordinate. Yes, but the irony is that this is exactly our our like mission in Eden Fractal, for example in general I think, to learn to coordinate better. So it's a chicken and the egg problem. How do you solve that? I have no idea. Yeah yeah, cool thing is today uh there will be first Upscale meeting, like real one with the new like uh mission and new- now the contributions that will be ranked is uh, what has been your contribution to launch a new L1 chain? What? New L1? New layer one? Oh so so Antelope based or? Yeah, so if I come and say I launched some EVM chain, it won't work? No. Nope. But yeah, it's uh it's it's going to be interesting to see coordination here because I'm really like trying to- no of course token liquid token plus liquidity pool and like GICs and Tess for the CDs right now. They sort of understand, they understand that this is how Dan designed it. The CD is a little bit concerned about the legal stuff but but not too much. So I think it will be like proper liquidity pool and I think this is key for the coordination. If there is this incentive that you participate, you get paid. So let's see what- how will decisions get made or? Uh bottom up. So like like you you come to the meeting, you say that okay, I want to build for example my design. I did this design uh, if you respect that I did it, it means that I get funding. Next week I come again, if again people respect my version of the app, again I get funding. And that's how it works, you just get funding and build if people respect what you do. Beautiful, but then everyone could start building their own versions if there is enough funding for that. Then uh, yeah. And that's the best actually. If you think like, we don't know for sure which version is better, yours, mine, or or uh this ICP thing. They all get built, they all get tried. Perfect. Yeah, a lot of inventions, there's been like you know dozens or hundreds of thousands of iterations that happened and we we get to see like the one that kind of won out uh that we start using. But I think we're in that phase of lots of different experiments happening at the same time. And uh, it just kind of like day to day, do the best we can to figure out the best next steps that we can do. And it's kind like the process of it, after the previous question about like saying it's hard, how do we like do it uh. But that sounds cool with the Upscale though, I'm glad to hear that it's going well and hope the first meeting goes well. I've been fin listening along to some of the calls uh and so yeah, that's very exciting. And there's lots of different initiatives going on with fractals now, so very exciting for Pral and um very curious updates how that goes. I'm sure there's going to be collaborations with Antelope and Upscale and EVM and Optimism and so forth. Yeah because uh we we we will have, if they implement token, we will have nice data to see like does this thing work or doesn't work. It's yeah, let's see. Okay cool, well yeah, curious for your updates about it. Um, I don't know to or V or if you have any thoughts here. Um also haven't yet decided what to do with uh online BitBeckers. Did you guys have time to like review it and share comments? Are you guys interested in doing that or um, should I maybe just follow up with Codon BitBeckers? Um and I could ask like some basic questions like how exactly would ICP help? Or perhaps I could uh schedule a call with them if they're interested. And either we all want to be on there or anybody wants to be in there, we can. Or I could just do it with just them and then we could record it perhaps if they're up for it. And I could share the recording with you for more information and uh I could I could pass that along with you. Or if we want to um, I'm not sure what the best way to proceed basically, but it'd be good to do something to follow up beyond beyond that first message I shared. So you have any thoughts about um about the best way to proceed? I suppose if you're up for leaving some comments on on the on the Discord or the hackmd would maybe be the like simple solution and don't need to do much. I me just just a few comments to get the conversation started might be a good thing to to do. What are they expecting like? What what do they want? Uh I I mean well when HL put the post out uh he said "Hey everyone, um I've been working on app that essentially combines their most heavily used tools into one factor gr- Factor fun snapshot. We're so far just defining it in a product requirement document and seeking feedback. Check it out and feel free to respond here, make comments directly on documents." So basically he wants everyone to check it out and they're looking for feedback. Okay, I will try to leave some comments, but for me it would mostly be questioning some design decisions in terms of if you really want to go there. Like for example, the privacy feature, I don't know if we need that. Well maybe it's nice to have a version like that, but okay cool. Yeah, there's already been uh 24 comments in there between Biters and Hlon. And one of them was Biters asking like how important is this privacy feature? And then Hlon said "Nice to have for this version, but ultimately really good to have in the future." So he likes it for the long term, but not that it's not that high priority in the short term. Um and yeah, if you want to ask any questions just to get more information, that would be helpful. And then also the thing I said I could do too is I could uh share like that project in OP Fractal uh notion page where I share the design that uh Vlad working on, I've been working on, as well as different um things I like this big project with Al, to different past showing out work. So if they wanted to like dive deeply into that or check it out as much as they wanted, then they could also see what we're working on. Um because maybe they'll wind up being on another team basically, and that would be great. Um if they're, I mean it seems like they're pretty motivated. So there could either be opportunities for collaborate like where we could work directly with them some way or maybe if they're really interested and we provide a bit of feedback and ask questions but they're like "Hey, we just want to build this anyway", then maybe they'll just go ahead and do it. And then rather than having one development team, that'll be two for fractals on EVM, which would be cool. Do you have any thoughts about that Vlad? Or you want to leave it there and and go with the plan that that you'll reach out with uh some questions and stuff and and comments and feedback on the thing? And then I'll uh follow up with sharing the um notion page with the create optimism fractal app? Yeah, and just for a bit of detail about that, um I think that would be a good project to have, like create opal app. That's a project we don't currently have and so that's a place where we can like kind of coordinate as a community in that kind of bazaar kind of way. Because the way we've been doing it is kind of like building the respect game app or building the fractal app that is kind of more just for like play really easily. But doing practical I think would be a good thing to do in either case and that would be a good way to proceed. So curious if you think that that sounds a good plan or if there's anything else we should discuss or consider for that. I don't know at this point. I I might give them feedback but it will be only my opinion. So I don't know what we are planning to do. Like I mean if we planning to build somehow I think. Great, uh sounds good. Well yeah of course, you don't need to, if focus on other stuff then I suppose just use your judgment on um if you want to follow up or however much. But they're seeking feedback, I'm sure they'd be uh very appreciative to hear from you. Um then and just having your having your opinion or your own questions, whatever. I they appreciate it a lot. And then that might be a good question to ask them too, just like what are your plans? Like are you planning to build this? Um because he says seeking feedback, but we have limited information. So that might be one of the good questions that that I can ask as well if you want. Just like what's your next steps here?

I put

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on you were uh um hline bed beckage product design

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requirements document did you uh have a chance to look at that do you have any thoughts about that should we try to oh

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uh bitb is also um I don't know exactly what kind of development he does but he's quite a talent developer he's working with Kevin walk a lot and uh

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kinwa steam has hired him um he's worked with hypers and some other big initiatives too so um and then hlon is a

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great product manager too and he knows a lot of great people and he's been like U you know contributing a lot to offens

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pral so uh I don't know Vlad if you saw um the comment that I shared if you've

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been checking the Discord but I had shared a brief response to him over here

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um saying that I enjoyed it and appreciate it and working with you and stuff like that if you have another

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chance to read it I can just leave it open so you can read it

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yeah yeah at some point you you change it to that I don't think there always

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Vol I haven't seen that okay but I I seen the document that you

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sh the hland uhhuh didn't go very deep but uh

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yeah cool that they are also thinking about it but what so did you dive into

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it what was their like design was it similar to yours or what are they

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thinking um there's as we here like I think a comp work that we've been doing

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because what what we've mostly focusing on is like for J Community Neo think and some commun just to play it as easily as

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possible um but they're kind of documents a more comprehensive cohesive

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app that specifically focused the optim fact Community or communities that are like more experienced with it and want

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to actually do other stuff with respect like participate in governance and make proposals and stuff and have it all in

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one app so it's kind of more similar to the pral app that you Matas has built on

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on Antelope um so yeah it has like um it

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has a respect game but also has a section for proposals it also has sub rounds too which is like the idea that we discussed in the

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uh in the brainstorming topic about how you could have like kind of mini fractals popping out or fractals of

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fractals um so it's kind of like bringing it all together a bit um so it

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has it's not really so different between mine and yours or so different the only

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one thing that they mentioned was just like provably random groups was that they said they like uh but other than that it was just like there a lot more

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detailed too that um like I recommend reading it and like

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just read what they said to get all the detail I'm just G like a very high level overview um and you can comment here too if you want and theyd appreciate that as

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well as in Discord um but yeah it was kind of like uh whereas we're focusing on making it super easy to play they

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they were kind of looking at like another level like they want to make it easier to play but their main focus making it so that there's one app where you can do proposals um playing the game

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um and also being able to do like kind of launching new subra those as well all in one

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place but at the end of the day it's another fral app maybe different uh it stresses

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different features like uh codon also I think mentioned

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integration uh I forgot the name but I think it's for for

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probably Anonymous voting and it's also we are planning to

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do it on internet computer CU I understand does internet

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computer network somehow relate to optimism or the super train or or not

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yeah so those are some big featur I miss I forgot to mention so one is the integration of shutter which is a

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um a like privacy solution and actually i' had spoken with one of the guys one of the guys from shudder uh joined his

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name is Lauren he joined office in pral and he was inte who's interested in in integrating the respect game into um

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into the shutter Community or shutter Dow as well um so this is like a way that you can do voting but have it

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private so that you wouldn't be able to see the votes until afterwards for the respect game and proposals uh and then

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yeah this also it's called IC fractal because it's the internet computer fractal application I think um and this

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is using the internet computer protocol which is in case you haven't seen it um i' heard this is like super centralized

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in terms of like 90% of the token Supply is uh like owned by the company that

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founded it um but I've also heard like it's it's it's very well funded and they're building really helpful tools and I guess that if uh hlon and bit

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Beckers are both interested in this then it could be very helpful um but my

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understanding is that like one of the inen that they have is that they want to make it so that it's not just an optimism but they want to have it where

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you can post on different chains as so as kind of like firmament as well um so

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yeah that there's this there's this feature too and there's more details about this too like for example that's o.com I looked into that and that's a

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way you can create accounts that work for optimism but also work with other evm accounts and I think it stores like

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the keys and stuff on the internet computer but not totally sure about that though but there's more details about

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here as well and some of the other stuff was like more details about the proposals

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and how it could be viewed so it's not just voting proposals but like being able to have a customized so that makes it easy for like speciic account process

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and so forth

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would this kind of app would be eligible for retr pgf

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or not yeah yeah for sure I mean it it'd be

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creating an impact and help and helping out with optimism just

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left the call guess because uh her audio was repeating or whatever um um but yeah

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it still be creating impact for optimism I don't know if it's the best Focus because um like to me it seems like if

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you just build more an optimism there's more opportun for funding there so that's one of the comments I was think about making saying that uh it sounds

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interesting and I like the idea of having more independence from being able to post other chains but also maybe it's

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not so needed right now it's not the right time because optimism seems like it's like secure and sufficient enough

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and you can always Post in different super chain networks and stuff like that and you can earn more funding for doing so

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but how is it is it related at all to optimism or is it if we would

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get how how is it related well it says respect game You'

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sign with the op account and then you'd be posting on optimism so I don't know

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exactly it says the back end runs on the internet computer but hotline asks for bid Beckers to expand on that and

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bid Beckers hasn't replied to that or expanded on it but it's it's meant to be like running

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on optimism at least that's how hline envisioned it that people would sign with their op account postc consensus

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results on optimism and so forth um but there's the idea that also I think you could have it where you could vote on

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different chains too if you didn't want to play it on optimism because they wanted to bring it so you can make it on any kind of chain I

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think so internet computer would be used for

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some additional like a backend server but you would still submit to results to

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optimism something like that yeah I think so my understanding I don't have that much understanding of

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inter computer but um one of my understandings is that I think it's kind of like layer zero or uh there's

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different like kind of inter blockchain connectivity platforms so it's not like exclusive to anyone like internet I

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think internet computer has its own blockchain but it also has like a a um system where you

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could interact with optimism through the internet computer as well um if that sense like it can store

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like the keys and plug into optimism as well as other evm

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chains but perhaps it might be helpful too like I mentioned to hlon and bit

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Beckers um that or actually I didn't mention it

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to him but I mentioned to you guys that um I could like start up chat or um we

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could set up a call or something like that where we can ask more details about what they're thinking about or there's also a comment section too where we can

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leave comments um but it' be good to maybe it'd be good to proceed in some

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way because they're both really like talented and interested in helping so that's awesome overall and then we can figure out um how to best collaborate

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and then if you want to ask any questions about how exactly ICP would work um either in the chat or somewhere

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else then I suppose that would be a good Next Step why do they want this I

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IP ICP uh they did not expand on that in

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the document but I think it's like it's kind it's in a way

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similar to Sy as I understand in that uh it it provides

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like uh like all the stuff for web application that you would need not just

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smart

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contract do you think it makes sense for us to build on uh sync at some point

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like uh I haven't really thought about that so much like if it um I mean obviously I thought about building on

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sync but like being that we're building on evm does it make sense for us to build on evm and sync as well or like

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would it be like say we want decentralize like the web app Beyond just the smart contracts then would we

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do that with sync or would we do that with internet computer or we do that with um some other kind bu

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build yes we build on everything okay

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good plan we got it I mean sync will have uh by default

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our solution so they will deploy the back fap so to say

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I guess that would be the first step that they have on their netor but will it be compatible with evm

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now no I think

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no what we are doing we are sort of taking the evm market potentially which

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could be actually bigger than S and yeah I mean it's like a million

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times bigger than Sy right now or like maybe a times bigger um so

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yep um yeah but it' be good like to also like for example with this ICP If you

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could use ICP with the evm then that would be nice because I would get keep

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on building and fostering this um like open source project on evm and evm I

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mean I'm really excited for sync but like for example coinbase is like using hundreds of millions of dollars to bring

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people onto the evm specifically onto onto the super chain so and then there's like way other

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there's way more other organizations who are also cing the evm environment too so

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um like I want to use sync but at the same time too though like if we could use evm plus sync or evm plus IP or

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something like that then um that would be nice to keep on building with the evm as

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well plus anope plus envelope well envelope is

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kind of more like an alternative to evm from I from what I understand so it's more like the smart contract side

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um but it seems like ICP and uh sync do backend as well whereas Antelope doesn't

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really have a backend or front end kind of component just a smart contract and so we are and so obviously we'll still

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keep building and like fostering and promoting the development of the smart contracts for fral on andal open and bu

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beem along with upscale like I think our main focus of optimistics will be uh mostly to Foster the evm side of it um

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as well as all the other ones but like our main focus is the evm part of it I

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think we are too decentralized too many apps too many app

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initiatives yeah we have a lot and we just need like one really good one yeah I mean it's it's confusing and hard like

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it's you want to collaborate but it's hard to to uh it takes time and

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effort coordinate yes but in the irony is that

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this is exactly our our like mission in Eden fractal for example in general I

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think to learn to co coordinate better so it's a chicken and the neck problem

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how do you solve that I have no

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idea yeah yeah cool thing is today uh the

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there will be first upscale meeting like real one with the new like uh Mission

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and new now the contributions that will be ranked is uh what has been your

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contribution to launch a new L1 chain

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what no new L1 new layer one oh so so analo based or

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yeah so if I come and say I launched some evm chain it won't work no

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nope but yeah it's uh it's it's going to be interesting to see coordination here

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because I'm really like trying to no of course

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token liquid token plus liquidity pool and like GIS and Tess for the CDs right

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now they sort of understand they understand that this is how Dan designed

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it the C is a little bit concerned about the legal stuff but but not too much so

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I think will be like proper liquidity pool and I think this is key for the

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coordination if there is this incentive that you participate you get paid so

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let's see what how will decisions get made or

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uh bottom up so like like you you come to the meeting you say

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that okay I want to build for example my design I did this design uh if you

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respect that I did it it means that I get funding

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next week I come again if again people respect my version of the app again I

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get funding and that's how it works you just get funding and build if people

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respect what you do

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beautiful but then everyone could start building their own

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versions if there is enough funding for that then uh yeah

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and that's the best actually if you think like we don't know for sure which version is better D's mine or or uh this

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FS they all get built they all get

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tried

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perfect yeah a lot of inventions there's been like you know dozens or hundreds of thousands of iterations that happened

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and we we get to see like the one that kind of one out uh that we start using but I think we're in that phase of lots

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of different experiments happening at the same time and uh it just kind of

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like day to day do the best we can to figure out the best next steps that we

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can do and it's kind like the process of it f the previous question about like saying it's hard how do we like do it uh

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but that sounds cool with the upscale though I'm glad to hear that it's going well and hope the first meeting goes well I've been fin listening along to

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some of the calls uh and so yeah that's very exciting and

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there's lots of different initiatives going on with fractals now so very exciting for pral and

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um very curious updates how that goes I'm sure there's going collaborations

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with anvelope and upscale and evm and optimism and so forth yeah because uh we we we will have

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if they Implement token we will have nice data to see like does this thing

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work or doesn't work it's yeah let's

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see okay cool well yeah curious your updates about it um I don't know to or V

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or if you have any thoughts here um also haven't yet decided what to do with uh

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online bit Beckers did you guys have time to like review it and share comments are you guys interested in

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doing that or um should I maybe just follow up with podon bit Beckers um and

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I could ask like some basic questions like how exactly would ICB help or perhaps I could uh schedule a call with

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them if they're interested and either we all want to be on there or anybody wants to be in there we can or I could just do it with just them and then we could

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record it perhaps if they're up for it and I could share the recording with you for more information and uh I could I

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could pass that along with you or if we want to um I'm not sure what the best way to proceed basically but it' be good

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to do something to follow up beyond beyond that first message I shared so

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you have any thoughts about um about the best way to proceed I suppose if you're up for leaving some comments on on the

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on the Discord or the hackmd would maybe be the like simple solution and don't need to do much I me just just a few

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comments to get the conversation started might be a good thing to to do what are they expecting like what

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what do they want uh I I mean well when HL put the post out uh he

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said hey everyone um I've been working on app that essentially combines their most

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heavily used tools into one factor gr Factor fun snapshot we're so far just defining it in a product requirement

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document and seeking feedback check it out and feel free to respond here make comments directly on documents so basically he wants everyone to check it

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out and they're looking for

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feedback okay I will try to leave some

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comments but for me it would mostly be questioning some design decisions in terms of if you really want to go there

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like for example the Privacy feature I don't know if we need that well maybe

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it's nice to have a version like that but

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okay cool yeah there's already been uh 24 comments in there between biters and hlon and one of them was biters asking

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like how important is this privacy feature and then hon said nice to have for this version but ultimately really

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good to have the future so he likes it for the longterm but not that it's not that high priority in the short term um

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and yeah if you want to ask any questions just to get more information that would be helpful and then also the thing I said I could do too is I could

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uh share like that project in op fractal uh notion page where I share the design

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that uh glad working on I've been working on as well as different um things I like this big project with Al

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to different past showing out work so if they wanted to like dive deeply into that or check it out as much as they

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wanted then they could also see what we're working on um because maybe they'll wind up being on another team basically and that would be great um if

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they're I mean it seems like they're pretty motivated so there could either be opportunities for collaborate like

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where we could work directly with them some way or maybe if they're really interested and we provide a bit of feedback and ask questions but they're

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like hey we just want to build this anyway then maybe they'll just go ahead and do it and then rather than having one development team that'll be two for

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practice on evm which would be

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cool do you have any thoughts about that the Dos or you want to leave it there and and go with the plan that that

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you'll reach out with uh some questions and stuff and and comments and feedback on the thing and

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then I'll uh follow up with sharing the um notion page with the create optimism

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fractal app yeah and just for a bit of detail about that um I think that would

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be a good project to have like create opal app that's a project we don't currently have and so that's a place where we can like kind of coordinate as

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a community and that kind of bizarre kind of way because the way we've been doing it is kind of like building the

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respect game app or building the fractal app that is kind of more just for like play really easily but doing practical I

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think would be a good thing to do in either case and that would be a good way to proceed so curious if you think that

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that that sound a good plan or if there's anything else we should discuss or consider for

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that I don't know at this point I I might give them feedback but it will be

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only my opinion so I don't know what we planning to do like I mean if we

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planning to build somehow I think

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great

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uh sounds good well yeah of course you don't P to if focus on other stuff then

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I suppose just use your judgment on um if you want to follow up or however much but they're seeking feedback I'm sure

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they'd be uh very appreciative to hear from you um then and just having your

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having your opinion or your own questions whatever I they appreciate it a lot and then that might be a good question to ask them too just like what

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are your plans like are you planning to build this um because AC he says seeking feedback but we have limited information

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so that might be one of the good questions that that I can ask as well if you want just like what's your next steps

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here yep